Comments on: The Difference Between Primary and Secondary Fermentation http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/ Your Winemaking Educational Source Mon, 25 Jun 2018 06:41:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Matt Williams http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-265 Sat, 03 Oct 2015 12:36:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-265 In reply to Matt.

Hey Matt, thanks for the update. With a current gravity of 0.990 I would say your wine has finished fermenting completely. You racked right on time at 1.010 too so well done.

Red Star makes good strong yeasts so it’s no surprise that it would ferment your wine in that amount of time.

Gnats in the airlock is no fun but at least the airlock was there to protect your wine from the gnats! They have been known to carry acetobacter which is a bacteria that turns wine into vinegar.

From here you can sit on the lees for up to a couple months or you could rack into another container, degas it, and add a clarifier if you want to bottle sooner than later.

Let me know how it goes or if there’s anything I can do to help.

Cheers!

Matt

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By: Matt http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-264 Thu, 01 Oct 2015 23:55:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-264 In reply to Matt Williams.

Hi Matt! Thanks for the reply. The original SG was 1.085. Before the first rack(ing?) it was 1.010, and I just tested it and it was 0.990. There was about 1/4″ of sediment on the bottom.

I used Red Starr yeast – I forget the type, but I believe it was for red wine. Red package I think.

Oh, and I was a little grossed out to find a couple small gnats in the air lock. I’m not sure how bad that is… Thanks again!

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By: Matt Williams http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-263 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 18:36:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-263 In reply to Matt.

Hi Matt, nice name 🙂

From what you describe it sounds like your wine has fermented quite well. The true indication of whether fermentation is over or not is whether or not your specific gravity is still changing. Over time fermentation slows way down and, as you say, may take up to three weeks to complete.

However, if you used an aggressive yeast and had lower sugar levels I could definitely see fermentation being completed after just five days. If you let me know what your original and current specific gravity readings are and what yeast you used I can help you determine if you had a fast ferment.

Your wine should be fine in the carboy for up to a couple months provided the head space isn’t too much (you don’t want a bunch of oxygen in there).

Even if you don’t have an original specific gravity reading you could pick up a hydrometer and take a reading now. That will tell us part of the story. Also, if you take two measurements a few days apart and they are the same then fermentation is definitely over.

I hope this helps Matt! Let me know about the gravity readings and yeast strains and we can work out where you are in the winemaking process. Congrats on your first batch!

Happy fermenting,

Matt

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By: Matt http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-262 Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:51:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-262 Hi there! I am making a gallon of wine from concentrate. I started my primary fermentation in a bucket with an airlock. I racked it on day 4 – it had mostly stopped bubbling. After I racked it into a glass carboy it bubbled every 10 seconds or so then slowed down over the next few days. It’s only been 5 days and it’s stopped bubbling. I expected this would take more like 3 weeks. Should I rack it now or is it ok to wait? There isn’t much sediment on the bottom, maybe 1/8-1/4 inch.

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By: Matt Williams http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-261 Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:27:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-261 In reply to Patrick Williams.

Hi Patrick, thanks for reaching out with your questions! It sounds like you’ve got a pretty solid wine making process from what you describe there. Here’s my answers to your questions:

1. Recently I looked into this for a D47 yeast but it should be comparable for other strains. By my math it required between 1.0-1.5 grams per gallon thus if you are fermenting 20-25 gallons the sweet spot is going to be between 20-40 grams. Six 5g packets puts you at 30 grams which is perfect. Well done!

2. Your degassing tool sounds fine. The only two things you need are to be able to easily sanitize it and that it agitates the wine enough to release suspended CO2.
3. Having the sugar on the lid isn’t a bad idea if you’re worried about pets or something messing with the lid. It may also hold it tight enough to keep flies out. It’s okay to keep your wine stored this way for about 5-7 days at which time I would expect it to slow down and move into secondary fermentation. At that point you’ll want to rack off the fruit (if there is any in there) and into a container such as carboys where you can attach an airlock.
4. No, you can use PET plastic carboy as well. Just be careful not to scratch the plastic when you clean them out. The scratches can become great places for spoilage micro-organisms to hide out.
5. My hydrometer goes from 0.982 up to 1.160 which envelopes the winemaking brix / SG range quite nicely.

Winemaking is easy to get hooked on! I’ve come to find that an empty fermenter is a very sad sight. Patience is definitely the hardest part of winemaking but if you keep your fermenter busy it’s a lot easier to pass the time.

I’m always happy to help Patrick. Cheers!

Matt

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By: Patrick Williams http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-260 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:25:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-260 Hi Matt! What a wonderful resource! Finally checking this (winemaking) off my list 🙂 I stumbled into 100lbs of fresh plums & spent two days washing, stoning, & prepping them for my inaugural batch. I wound up with 80 lb. of gorgeous Empress? or Damson? fruit. My wife & I ran it thru the manual juicer & kept the skin etc., Placed that in nylon hose to add to primary. I added 40 lb sugar, 10 tsp pectic enz., 20 tsp. Nutrient, and one other ingredient (Forgot) and put it all into a 32 gal Rubbermaid Brute PDHE Primary, & stirred heavily. 24 hr later I added 6 pkg of wine yeast recommended by fella @ supply store to 4 oz. of tap water @ 105 deg…. Turned by back for ten min & it promptly overflowed. I took that as a sign it was working. Added it to my 20-25? gal of yum & stirred again, squeezing the beegeesuz out of the nylon sacs.
my questions…..
1. Is 6 pkg yeast enough?
2. I made a 3 ft. long stir tool for my hand drill similar to a paint stirrer. Almost emulsifies…is that bad or good?
3. I set a 25 lb bag of sugar on the lid of the trash can. unlikely that it’s air tight. Should I remove the weight?
4. My intent is to fill 5 gal carboys after 3-5 days. MUST they be glass?
5. What range of hydrometer should I have?

I confident this is a new addiction. Though my hands are shredded, the excitement of finally making some wonderful wine (PLUM for goodness sake!) made the 10 hr of stoning the plums no problem. I just want to get this right & can’t wait to run another batch. I’m DEFINITELY patient & willing to let this wine age out. 🙂 Thank you Thank you Thank you for your help.

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By: Robert Saggese http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-259 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:57:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-259 Morning Matt, bit of advice , all natural wine maker here Trebbiano white grapes no additives sugar water yeast nothing ! i pressed 60 lts on 13th , Brix 21 SG .090 temp 18 deg. started fermenting 16th tested it today 23rd 8th day fermenting and its sg .022 at 18 deg c, question is still very sweet, i prefer a dry wine at which stage do i need to pull this as per SG etc , to place in 54 ltr Demijohn and then will it need a water/air trap to continue second stage ferment or cap it complete free from air , don’t want that bitter taste, not confident on whites any advice bud, also got 250 ltrs Montepulciano red on the go but all ok at the mo fingers crossed ! cheers Rob

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By: Matt Williams http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-258 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:52:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-258 In reply to winediva33.

I recommend racking every two months or when you see 1/2″ of sediment in the bottom of the carboy. You can bottle once you no longer see sediment collecting in the carboy.

Alternatively you could add a clarifier which will know out the sediment much more quickly. You have to be sure fermentation is over though as it will continue to throw sediment as long as it is fermenting.

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By: Matt Williams http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-257 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:48:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-257 In reply to Joey Raso.

Hi Joe, whatever juice you add is going to renew fermentation as you’re adding additional sugar. This is fine but expect an increase in activity after adding it. Since you’ll be in the carboy I would wait until the specific gravity is around 1.010 to add it.

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By: winediva33 http://winemakersacademy.com/secondary-fermentation/#comment-256 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:39:00 +0000 http://winemakersacademy.org/?p=1324#comment-256 hi so I started my process about a month ago and have a week ago poured into second fermenter and got the clear wine off of the sediment in the bottom and thinking about during the pout off process again cause there more sediment in the bottom again how sure wait to bottle it?

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